Dame Dash says that Roc-A-Fella is the best rap crew of all time. The iconic music mogul discussed the imprint he helped found during a recent appearance on Math Hoffa’s My Expert Opinion podcast.

When Hoffa asked him where Roc-A-Fella ranks, he replied confidently: “One. I expect any other crew to say that they were number one. I don’t know about anybody’s experience, I know about mines. It gave me the life I have now. It’s depending on what you consider the best. For me, the criteria is making a rapper a billionaire.”

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Dame Dash With JAY-Z

Jay-Z and Damon Dash during Mercedes-Benz Fashion Week Spring 2004 – Baby Phat – Backstage at Gertrude Tent, Bryant Park in New York City, New York, United States. (Photo by Johnny Nunez/WireImage)

He added: “Who got the most bread? You have to remember, I was in the crew. During Roc-A-Fella, I never looked at another crew and thought they were having more fun than me. I’m 52. We talking about 25 years ago. I haven’t even touched Roc-A-Fella, pause, in 20 years and they still talk about it like it was yesterday. I gotta be the best that ever did it!”

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From there, Math Hoffa asked Dame Dash to choose between Wu-Tang Clan and Ruff Ryders, but he refused to give an answer. “They both my brothers, bro. It’s 50 years later. If you were to ask me back then, I’d have been like, ‘Roc-A-Fella.’ We battled these n***as, you feel me? But these are my brothers. You don’t judge your brothers.” The prompt stemmed from BET Digital’s “Greatest Rap Crew of All Time” competition, in which fans can vote to determine the winner.

Dame Dash On Roc-A-Fella

In addition to naming Roc-A-Fella the greatest group of all time, he’s previously picked Kanye West as the best artist from the label. Speaking with podcaster MacG, last August, he explained why he’d take him over JAY-Z. “He’s more creative,” he said. “If it’s about—now, I can speak on that because, you know, I worked with both of them, right? You know, Kanye is a true artist and he does it for the art and Jay-Z does it for the money. It’s two different things.”

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